FW: [kino] Peter Greenaway report

Mon Nov 15 01:29:39 PST 2004

Here is a link to the Russian web page which explains what was cut and
why in more details:

http://www.guruken.ru/intelligent/svoego_filma/

This link has some information about what was shot:
http://www.dni.ru/news/society/2003/2/19/19236.html
It is in Russian as well.

Ignati

--- Dmitri Krioukov <dima at caida.org> wrote:

> i'm now confused. is everything shot in russia
> (he made a special trip there, remember?!) got
> removed? or only litvinova w/orbakaite?
> --
> dima.
> http://www.caida.org/~dima/
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: kino-bounces at caida.org [mailto:kino-bounces at caida.org]On Behalf
> Of
> > Ignati Piterski
> > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 7:47 PM
> > To: kino at caida.org
> > Subject: Re: FW: [kino] Peter Greenaway report
> >
> >
> > >From what I heard scenes with Litvinova and Orbakaite were shot but
> not
> > included in the final cut. I don't remember exactly why - something
> > about being too long and not long enough at the same time :)
> >
> > I saw one of the "Suitcases" on sale in Saint Patersburg but missed
> the
> > chance to buy it.
> >
> > Ignati
> >
> > --- Dmitry Karpeev <karpeev at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I saw 3 movies.  In fact it's just 3 parts of a single movie -- the
> > > whole
> > > would be too long for one sitting.
> > >
> > > 92 DVDs is something else -- either a future or an ongoing project. 
> He
> > > mentioned something about perhaps giving them away at screenings
> etc.,
> > > since
> > > he's not sure how to distribute them.  I'm not even sure it is
> > > happening, or
> > > will happen, fully or partially.
> > >
> > > The last 20-30 minutes of part 3 were made in Russia.  According to
> the
> > > titles, Renata Litvinova and Kristina Orbakaite  were in it.  But as
> > > hard as
> > > I tried, I didn't find Litvinova (maybe she didn't look like
> herself),
> > > and I
> > > only have a guess as to whom Orbakaite might have played.  As with
> many
> > > of
> > > his movies, it was hard to capture exactly what was going on, so I
> > > missed
> > > some characters that were in the titles. In particular, the
> Litvinova
> > > character.
> > >
> > > Dima
> > >
> > > PS The Russian part might not have been made in Russia, since the
> action
> > > there takes place "on the bridge", which is actually a metaphor for
> a
> > > chessboard.  Or maybe on a chessboard, that is a metaphor for a
> bridge
> > > between the East and the West, where prisoner exchanges take place. 
> In
> > > any
> > > event, it was on a set.  Russian studio A12 (or 12A?) was involved,
> > > according to the titles.  Now, Isabella Rossellini had a much more
> > > prominent
> > > role, but that was in part 2.  I think.  If I remember it right.  It
> all
> > > sort of runs together in my head.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dmitri Krioukov [mailto:dima at caida.org]
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 8:50 PM
> > > To: Dmitry Karpeev
> > > Cc: kino at caida.org
> > > Subject: RE: [kino] Peter Greenaway report
> > >
> > > dimas,
> > >
> > > 92 dvds with luper's suitcases arrest
> > > me with surprise. on imdb, i can find
> > > only three. can you clarify? how many
> > > did you see? one? also, which one was
> > > made in russia?
> > >
> > > i understand greenaway's obsession with
> > > numbers, but 92 dvds... how much each?
> > > --
> > > dima.
> > > http://www.caida.org/~dima/
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: kino-bounces at caida.org [mailto:kino-bounces at caida.org]On
> Behalf Of
> > > Dmitry Karpeev
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 6:13 PM
> > > To: kino at caida.org
> > > Subject: [kino] Peter Greenaway report
> > >
> > >
> > > Last Wed. Peter Greenaway himself made an appearance at Chicagos
> Facets
> > > Multimedia to introduce one of his latest movies Tulse Lupers
> > > Suitcases.
> > > He struck me as extremely gracious and sharp.  He said a few words
> > > before
> > > and answered questions after the movie.
> > > In his opinion, there is a revolution afoot in the cinema  the
> digital
> > > revolution.  It has the potential to reinvent the cinema, which, in
> Mr.
> > > Greenaways view, has been stuck in the animated novel paradigm
> nearly
> > > since its invention.  He himself thinks that the two clichi words,
> > > interactive and multimedia, encode the future of the cinema,
> > > although it
> > > is hard, if at all possible, to implement them in the setting of a
> > > traditional movie cinema.   For now, his movies seem to seek to
> explode
> > > the
> > > linear narrative structure of a movie, which ordinarily makes it
> akin to
> > > a
> > > text, and bring forward the image.  Many images.  Multiple images. 
> At
> > > once.
> > > And music.  Et cetera.
> > > It makes for difficult watching in some instances.  But extremely
> > > beautiful
> > > too.  His favorite director is S. Esenstein, followed by Godard at
> some
> > > distance.  Of the contemporary there are Lynch and Cronenberg that
> he
> > > feels
> > > conceptual closeness to.  Heres something interesting, I think:
> Peter
> > > Greenaway use of nudes in his movies is both a reflection of his
> > > esthetic
> > > origins as a painter, and a challenge, to some extent, to the
> puritan
> > > sentiment as well as the stereotype that only attractive women in
> their
> > > 20s
> > > and 30s appear naked on film, primarily before a sex scene.  He
> gives a
> > > chance for all kinds of people to be naked on the screen and for all
> > > sorts
> > > of reasons.
> > >
> > > It turns out that Mr. Greenaway has had 2 painting exhibits, has
> written
> > > several books, directed (?) an opera (with more in the works) and is
> > > planning to put out 92 DVDs, one for each of Tulse Lupers
> suitcases,
> > > apparently.
> > > There is a dude in Montreal that has constructed an interactive
> trailer,
> > > in
> > > which all or part of Tulse Lupers Suitcases can be experience
> > > interactively, in any order: any scene (or scene inside a scene, of
> > > which
> > > there are many), any piece of music (mostly electronically recycled
> > > Prokofiev), any subtle political, geographical, literary or historic
> > > reference examined (hes worse than Godard in this respect, his
> ideal
> > > audience requiring many years of rigorous schooling, it seems), et
> > > cetera.
> > > Now, this is both interactive and multimedia!  But is it cinema?
> > >
> > > Dima.
> > >
> > > Guy Muddin is visiting Facets next Wed., so stay tuned.
> > >
> > >
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